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I am a descendant to James Rankin and George Rankin. James Rankin married Mary Joass in 1805 in Middletown, Scotland. They had 8 children (James, William, John, Jean, Barbara, Alexander, George, unknown). James Rankin married Mary Laird - they had children but the only one I know about is George Rankin. George Rankin (1868-1952) married Isabella Robertson (1869-1942). They had nine children (George, Mary, James, Sarah, Barbara, Charlie, Robert, Elizabeth, Unknown) George Rankin married Elizabeth Curreen. George and Elizabeth Rankin are my great grandparents. If you are a descendant, I am interest in any info that you have. (Photos etc)
Submitted by: Louise Shaw Hi everyone, great site - I've really enjoyed reading your stories. I wonder if any of you can help me piece some family history together from my Italian side. I'd love to hear of anyone who remembers my great-grandmother and great-grandfather Giovanni (John) Bellonzi and Guiseppina (Josephine) Bellonzi. In 1928 he is documented to be living at 48 Eglinton Street, Glasgow - occupation fish restraunteur. Giovanni died in 1933 - his address at the time was 259 Scotland Street, Glasgow. I realise this was a long time ago but if anyone has any family that may remember I'd be grateful to hear anything. I've seen a few posts in the forums from relatives of the Verrecchia family who owned the Princess Cafe - if you're reading this or anyone else who many know... was there an 'Ella' Verrecchia? My great grandparents had 2 daughters, Pavolina (Lena) and my grand-mother Leontina (Tina) who were friends with an Ella Verrecchia... I'm wondering if given they were both restrauant owners that it may be the same family? If anyone knows, I would be very grateful to hear any information as my gran and Ella were best pals for years and after my grans passing my mum always tried to get in touch with her. I beleive she lived in the USA and her married name is Hughes. If anyone know's of the Bellonzi's I would love to hear from you. Many thanks, Sharon
Submitted by: Sharon Campbell Hi Old Timer, 10 Quid, DAM and all the folk who have visited and subscribed to the site. I get your point Old Timer but don't you think that ultimately nothing remains the same and time marches on? The older generations will eventually go. Having said that just enjoy the site whilst it's here. Something to make us happy. DAM is back! Welcome home - I hope you give that soorpuss Jerry from the USA a good talking to. But heh, he has done us a favour either deliberately or not! From time to time you get people like that. Such a pity he cannie understand the friendship and goodtimes the folk that come to this site have enjoyed. He is the poorer for not having that, no matter how good his life is now. So,so sad...Rita
Submitted by: Rita Moffat I left Glasgow in 1961 and moved to London where I joined the British Army. I also worked as an ambulance driver in London. I left for Australia in the late 60's. I would love to hear from anyone who still remembers me.
Submitted by: Mago Kilna Dear Jerry, so you were glad to get out of the Gorbals? Enlighten us as to exactly why? Which rat infested street housed your family? Did you fall foul of the local fighting gang? Perhaps the flea-ridden cinema's embarrassed your fiance? The smell from Dixons Blazes? Come on Jerry, what really prompted that poor effort of an anecdote? And me? I grew up in Bedford Street and proud of it.
Submitted by: William Davies F.A.O. Rita Moffat - Hi Rita. I'm still here. Glad to see you are still posting. Haven't seen some of the "oldies" like myself posting - hope they are all well. Hope you are well Rita. Amelia
Submitted by: Amelia McKinlay nee Welsh Aye, shame on you Jerry of the USA for your cruel comments on life within the old Gorbals. Some great people came out of the slums and became household names. You chose to emigrate as I think you couldn't hack life in a tough district. Yet, strange how you like to read the Gorbals anecdotes. Know what? I came from a family of 9 in Abbotsford Place and none of us complained about our poor surroundings!
Submitted by: Old Timer F.A.O. Doris (USA) - We also had a good street for skates, my ma couldn't afford to buy us the skates with the ballbearings so she bought me a pair out of "Woolies" - they couldn't go as fast as the other ones. Woolworths has now gone as all the shops have closed...pity. Did you ever buy any shoes out of the Sample Shoe shop in Old Rutherglen Road at the corner of Thistle or Hospital Street? Now they had some stotter 3 tier platforms - lizard skin. I think the shop was owned by Jewish people. Maybe you cannot remember it as I don't think you are as old as me. Amelia.
Submitted by: Amelia McKinlay nee Welsh Does Anybody Remember Bennys Boats On The Clyde At The Suspension Bridge At The Bottom Of McNeil Street? Mr Parsonage Of The Royal Humane Society Used To Hire Out Boats But You Had To Be Over Twelve. So The Older Boys In The Street Used To Go And Hire THe Boat,Two Or Three Of Us Would Wait On The Banks At The Wite Bridge And Pile Into The Boat. We Were Pirates For Half An Hour. Imagine Trying To Hire Aboat On The Clyde In These Days. The Older Boys Were Bobby Caldow, Dougie Craig -the Younger Boys Myself, Kenny Campbell,Robert Crawford Ian McInnes And John McGinty. We Also Had Gang Hut On The Banks Of The Clyde. Wir Maws Would Have Killed us If They New Wit We Got up to. Surely Some Of The McNeil Street Mob And Also Waterside Street, Benthall Street And Snowdon Street Boys Will Remember This. BFN.
Submitted by: William Long You should be ashamed of yourself Jerry (Lake George) describing the old Gorbals as one big rat-hole. I came from Naburn Street which was run-down and rat-infested, but my parents had no choice - it was nobody's fault money was tight. Blame the old Glasgow City Corporation for the slums and terrible conditions. You were glad to get out of it? Good riddance! I hope you never come back to visit how nice a place it has become.
Submitted by: Edwina Bagan F.A.O. Jerry from USA. Hi Jerry, hope you're well. I stayed in that rat-hole, as you call it - Nicholson Street/Cavendish Street, 1954/1968, and we were poor but happy. "When I was abo0t 9/10yrs auld a wis oot playn wae pals tae aboot wan in the mornin, safe n happy. A stie in Partick noo, up a wally close tenement oan Dumbarton Road, wance in a while al climb oan n slide doon the bannister. Am 55 noo - happy(n daft). There's nae wee brass bits so a kin still wok rite. Sumtimes am wokin doon Dumbarton Road, (hunners a tenements) n a think bak tae Cumberland Street, getlins, galls, the wally tiles ootside the Moy Bar, The Beehive, etc, etc, skint bit happy. Wits missin roon aboot me is LAFFTER, everybodys hurrin, tense, n seem tae be jist oan the planet, noo ur memry a the Gorbals seems tae be a lot different fae maest people who rite oan the site. Ye must hiv hid sum good memories - why no sher a wee bit aboot yersel, wer ye stied, who ye hung aboot wae, etc. Rite, am aff tae rake the middens, catch ye, the Jannie. May ur God be with u."
Submitted by: James Fletcher I remember Betty Hillhouse and her twin brother Thomas. We went through primary school and we played with each other. They are both in my school photo, but sadly I don't know what happened to either of them.
Submitted by: Not Supplied Could anyone tell me what became of Betty Hillhouse from Ardencraig Road Castlemilk. I know it's not strictly a Gorbals question but I would like to know if she's alright .Her family may have originally come from the Southside. I'm talking early 60s.
Submitted by: Bawheid Just wondering if any of you have a real life as you all seem as you never left the Gorbals. Some of you write on here trying to find old friends - I can understand that but please don't tell anyone it was a great place to live. It was one big rat-hole. And as for some who write they did not know they were poor....I guess you never set foot outside of the Gorbals. Me - I'm glad to be rid of it.
Submitted by: Jerry FAO Jessie O'Neil - Hi Jessie, did you get that wee photo that I sent you? Was it okay ? If not, let me know and I will send it again. Hope you are keeping well. Cheers Amb.
Submitted by: AMB I didn't know Melvin Bernstein, only read his posts on here, may he RIP.
Submitted by: AMB While it's nostalgic to read about the old Gorbals and it's inhabitants, I came from the top end of Lawmoor Street at Caledonia Road [1955-73], and it was anything but homely. I witnessed gang-fights, drunkeness, domestic-abuse, and slum housing. That's the way life was in certain pockets of old Gorbals. It wasn't much fun, but life had to go on. Anyone else noticed that Govanhill is going the exact way as post-war Gorbals? Who said history doesn't repeat itself?
Submitted by: Mrs G. Hargreaves Yes JJ, the greyhounds are still racing at Shawfield. Every Tuesday, Friday and Saturday nights. My sister runs the office at night and one works the cafe and another is the cook in the restaurant. Hope you enjoy visiting your past haunts....ENJOY!!!
Submitted by: Josephine Stuksis FAO Joe Wilson - Everyone remembers Ginger Wilson, a very liked and well known man. Your gran Annie was a close friend of my wife. We were at your uncle Johnny's wedding.
Submitted by: Gerry Gillan Shawfield Stadium, contrary to the belief of the posters, is not in Gorbals or Oatlands - actually it is in Rutherglen..... just a thought!
Submitted by: Auld Biddy If the Kevin Kilcoyne mentioned in a February anecdote was born at 279 Thistle Street, then I was his godmother and we lived next door to his grandmother. If so, would you please contact me as I would like to know how your aunts Eileen (Bulloch), Doreen and Anne are now.
Submitted by: Anomymous All the talk about Shawfield has brought a tear to my glass eye. And yes, I DO have a glass eye! My old-man took me to Shawfield in the late 50's early 60's watching football, and when I was a bit older, watched him lose his pocket-money on the dogs. The smell of beer from Shawfield's bars, hot-pies, vendors selling the Citizen or Times newspapers, team-rosette's, and macaroon-bars, or spearmint chewing gum. Fans would head home into Bridgeton or along Rutherglen Road. Traffic was heavy. I'm sure I can remember a pub opposite the ground where my old-man would have just enough left for a pint and a coke for me. And then the long walk home to Centre Street, rain, hail, or snow. It couldn't happen now, could it?
Submitted by: Willie Croft In reply to Mike Gallagher from Lawmoor Street. Yes!! Toilet paper was available from any local Galbraith, Massey, or Templeton grocery-shops!! I grew up in Camden Street in the 50's and we all took our own toilet-paper to the outside loo's!!
Submitted by: J.McCloy Kirsty, I too remember my Mum telling me the story of the woman who lured young children up to her flat with the promise of seeing puppies or kittens and then she threw them out the window one at a time. I wouldn't be able to tell you where it happened though.
Submitted by: Terri McCue FAO Rita - The probable reason for familiar missing names is that it's all been said and replied to. The forum needs new blood and it was interesting to read about Mr.Donnelly's recent message about life in the damp flats of Hutchie E. It might only have been 1975-82, but it will soon be history, as is the damp tenements of 1945-52!! But it does seem sad that younger people may be using the forum as nothing more than a stepping-stone for a family tree.
Submitted by: Old Timer FAO Julie - For better photos on the Gilmour Street/Moffat Street area, go to www.urbanglasgow.com and follow the links and you'll find extraordinary ariel views of that exact area, particularly from the Sir Basil Spence section. What do others think of the amazing Gorbals pictures from urbanglasgow.com?
Submitted by: Mary Borland Hi JJ, its only dogs that are at Shawfield now - Clyde moved from there years ago. Glasgow Tigers Speedway ran in the late 80's for about 10 years but they now run at Ashfield in the north of the city. Bye for now, Norrie.
Submitted by: Norman McNamee FAO Mick Gallagher - Hi Mick, your posting made me chuckle! Toilet paper, as we know it, was available way back in the late 1800's - we were too poor to afford to buy "that posh stuff"! All I ever knew as a child was old newspaper, cut into squares, tied through a corner with a bit of string and hung on a nail on the back of the lavvy door! I remember my parents saying, "whit's the point of throwing guid money doon the lavvy pan" - I take it they meant the purchase of toilet rolls! I got a clout round the back of the head when I answered back, "well, you've just spent guid money on the newspaper"! Always was a bit ahead of myself!
Submitted by: Auld Biddy Looking for John Porter who lived in Crown Street at the corner of Caledonia Road in the 50's.
Submitted by: W O'Sullivan Frankie Hallside's Sweet Shop. Oh the memories. We lived in Abbotsford Place, so every week I would go there to spend pocket money. Jar after jar of choice.
Submitted by: Maureen FAO Ann Davies [Kerr]. I too remember "Frank Hallsides" sweetie shop. I grew up just around the corner in Warick Street/Nicholoson Street during the 30/40/50/60s. I remember , during WW2, it had a marvelous display of chocolates and sweetys in big jars in its front window, as sweets were rationed then, and we needed coupons to buy sweeties. As a school boy, I couldn't understand the large display, as most of the stuff in the window wasn't available to buy. In later years, I discovered that the display was dummy sweets.
Submitted by: Owen Dougan FAO Andrea Paterson. If you Google "Mitchell Library" there are a few photos of Old Caledonia Road there.
Submitted by: Owen Dougan Talking about streets, my favourite street was Mathesion Street, reason being it was the smoothest street for going down with a bogie or on roller skates, two if you got lucky that day , WHEEEEEEEE, right down from Cumberland Street to Rutherglen Road. If I remember right, that was were one of the Pawn shops was located. Och and for Lawmoor Street, that was were the Masties lived (hope I spelt it right). Don't want a wee doing from anyone....Bubbles Riley Rose Cohan Sparrow McLain, Anna Birrel, she was from Hospital Street I think. Big Terry Brycen and I think the Cruickshanks, so many names, and there was one house about three doors down from the Police Station, it was what we used to call a shop house....I cant remember the name , but we all used to go in and swing round the poles that were in the front room, like a May pole not a stick of furniture, only beds in the rooms, we all thought it was great. The Giblins will remember this one.....big brother Arthur and his wife shared a room and kitchen with some other couple. That was Mathesion Street nearer Waddell Street .Hey T.Q. and Betty, glad to see you up and about. Big Artie and Mary got here and he has got some good auld pictures so I'll send them on. Aye you were all fine boys in those days now it's auld fine men and us burds are still smashers. That was a wee bit of a rosey dock. Melvin....see you just never know the minute. Anyhow, to all you fine folk out there........be who you are, and say what you feel, because those who matter don't mind, and those who mind don't matter. Theodor Seuss. DAM.
Submitted by: Doris McIntyre I am so sorry to hear about Melvin passing. He will be sadly missed.
Submitted by: Ann Docherty F.A.O. Josephine Stukis - what goes on at Shawfield Stadium now? Are the greyhounds still there? Can you let me know - will be in Glasgow soon for a visit and want to see a few old places and see my mammy who is still in the Gorbals. Can you let me know about Shawfield Stadium? Would like to go back to see it. Many thanks, JJ.
Submitted by: JJ Melvin Bernstein RIP, sad sad news. I always enjoyed Melvin's posts and although I never knew him, he came across to me as a gentleman and I will miss his posts. Deepest sympathy to Melvin's family from across the sea.
Submitted by: G5 Is the Railway Club mentioned the Polmadie Club? Had many a great Christmas party there in the 50's 60's. Dad worked for B.R. Polmadie for thirty years . Robbie.
Submitted by: Robert (Robbie) Mullen Kirsty, it was Toryglen Street in Oatlands that happened - my sister lived in number 81. It was the close before hers. It was a tragedy - the woman was ill but some children died,it was very sad.
Submitted by: May Thanks to everyone who replied to my anecdote. Yes Mary, my maiden name was Pelham, but I can't recall you!! [sorry]. Amazed to read of so many changes to that particular part of the Gorbals. I've now found old photo's via the website on the Mitchell Library. Thanks again.
Submitted by: Julie Sad to hear about Melvin Bernstein passing I never met Melvin but I enjoyed reading his postings....the Gorbals anecdotes has lost a true gent...God bless you Melvin.
Submitted by: Ann Davies (Kerr) When I was in my teens in the 50's, there was two girls who used to walk up and down Cumberland Street. One had bonde hair the other jet black - we called them black and white. One was Helen McTigue from Lawmoor Street...does anybody remember them and what became of them? Eddie.
Submitted by: Eddie Rest in Peace Melvin Bernstein!
Submitted by: Auld Biddy Hi Julie. Some of the Gorbals High rise have been demoilished, two from the Caledonia Road site. Stirlingfaulds Place was demolished 2009,2008. Sandiefield is being emptied, its riddled with dampness, Norfolk Court at Gorbals Cross has one building emptied and the demolition men have taken it over, the other building is still in use but it has a very short lifespan. Riverside (Waddell Court) will be the only high rise in the Gorbals apart from the remaining two at Caledonia Road. Bye for now, Norrie.
Submitted by: Norman McNamee Hi J. Bagen. The Railway Club is no more, its a pub now "Liptons" owned by local business man Willie Haughey. Bye for now, Norrie.
Submitted by: Norman McNamee Hi Billy. I didn't know Melvin but did read his posts. Another link to Gorbals past has gone. Learn from the older folk or the Gorbals heritage and stories will be gone forever. RIP Melvin. Norrie.
Submitted by: Norman McNamee It is sad to hear of Melvin Bernstein's passing. It's always sad to hear news of another regular Gorbals website writer passing. I enjoyed Melvin's letter's. The Railway Club in Pollokshaws Road/Cathcart Road has now closed. For many years it was called Liptons Club. I had many many good nights in there. A sign went up last year saying it was opening as an Irish Club, but nothing came of it. It's a shame because it was always busy, with weddings, funerals, hen nights, stag nights, birthday party's etc. It's good to see the Gorbals site up and running again, the webmaster does a terrific job keeping it going. Agnes.
Submitted by: Agnes To Billy Malcolm - It was so sad to see your posting about the death of Melvin Bernstein, and of your loss of a friend you liked and admired. I never knew or met him but I did get a real sense of him being a gentleman in all senses of the word. You mentioned the spirit of the man and his many kindnesses. It's that very same memory of the spirit of good kind, hardworking folk that lives on with me and the many others who visit their friends on this website. Rita.
Submitted by: Rita Moffat To the Webmaster - Sorry if I was having a moan at the length of time between postings - I should have also mentioned how grateful I and other folk are for this website. You keep our dreams and memories alive. It was just great to see 10 Quid back - the guy is something else. If you have kept up to speed in all his health scares through the years in this website, it's almost unbelieveable that he has survived it all. Good luck to him and wee Betty. Clyde Built to the last as they used to say and he lives up to that! Rita.
Submitted by: Rita Moffat Hi, I'm from 331 Lawmoor Street in the 40's. Just wondering....did they sell toilet paper in those days? In our stair head toilet there was just old newspapers and St. Francis' toilets had none either. At least I never saw any. Mick.
Submitted by: Mick Gallagher Hi Folks. I would be most grateful if anyone has any old photos of Gorbals (Caledonia Road or thereabouts) 1940's or later. I used to live in Caledonia Road when I was born and miss those old memories. Send me an email with pics if possible or get in touch to arrange. Love to all Gorbals, Love Andrea.
Submitted by: Andrea Paterson Several answers to give. As I predicted an old Gorbalonian corrected me. The market was in Commercial Road not Lane - my informant told me this was a common mistake made by young people (I'm 62). Also, to Pat McGee - the pub now called The Brazen Head used to be The Granite City. As for Willie Long I remember him as quite a good footballer when he played for St Luke's Boys Guild. My cousin Tommy Daly, sadly no longer with us, helped run the Guild along with Billy Wallace, also no longer with us. I better stop as this is turning into an obituary, anyway cheers.
Submitted by: Frank(Wee Pammy) Young F.A.O. Julie from Bolton, Lancs. Is your maiden name Pellam or Pelham? I think I remember you from Oatlands School. I lived in Gilmour Street next to the Rosebank dairy shop. I haven't been back to the area for over 30 years, so can't comment on any new changes. Bye.
Submitted by: Mary Borland The message from Mr. Malcolm on the sudden death of Mr.M.Bernstein was the saddest anecdote I've read on this forum. I enjoyed Melvin's postings/replies during the last few years. He'll be missed on this forum. RIP Mr.Bernstein.
Submitted by: Pat F.A.O. JJ. Yes, Shawfield Stadium is, in fact, still going strong. Some of my family still work there.
Submitted by: Josephine Stuksis F.A.O. Billy Malcolm. Sorry to hear of Melvin Bernstein's passing. I enjoyed his contributions in here over the years. I hope Melvin and his wife are now reunited and at peace. Pat Mooney
Submitted by: Pat Mooney F.A.O. Billy Malcolm. May I pass on my sincere condolances to you and Melvin Bernstein's family. He was a good Gorbals man, although me and Melvin had a wee issue about my posts (ie my writings) but I had a good laugh and I am sure Melvin did as well. Funny thing though, I was just thinking about Melvin today (Friday 26th February), wondering about all the posts from the last couple of weeks (read webmasters reasons) then Beggorra you post the sad message on the site. "Waal God's instance, but I will thank you Billy fer postin the message and lettin aw the good gorbals folk know aboot OOR sad loss, thanx the Jannie...may ur God b with u.x"
Submitted by: Jim the Jannie I see Easter eggs are on the shelves already....can anyone remenber FRANK HILLSIDES sweety shop in Bedford Street? We used to look at all the lovely Easter eggs and sweets in the window. His windows were always great ...and I used to go to Geoff Shaw's Club with my pals for a record session and show off our moves with the lads. Anyone remember him .....your righe about some of the old crowd going missing off the site, so let's start getting back because I miss reading about them and having a laugh....cheers, Ann
Submitted by: Ann Davies (Kerr) Hello there. I was born in Nicholson Street, Glasgow on the 15th July 1953. Can anyone tell me if there was a whisky factory there? Also, when I have previously been to Nicholson Street in 2007, I walked from the Cathedral side over the suspension bridge, come out, turned left then right and there is just a wee sign saying Nicholson Street on a house a few doors from a closed pub. Also, can anyone (ex-worker or driver from Templetons) tell me any of their memories from this company, particularly the vehicles that they used from 1950-1983. If you can assist me please e-mail me. That way, I get the message directly, otherwise I would have to look through all these pages on different days. Regards Peter Coyle.
Submitted by: Peter Coyle Does anyone remember the Cox family that lived at Piccadilli Street, Anderson in 1930 and 1940? The parents names were Agnes and Francis, the children were Eric, Charles, James, Frank, Tony and Eleanor. They later moved to the Oatlands. Thank you.
Submitted by: Stephanie Cox This week was one of the saddest of my life - an old friend of mine passed away. He may have been a friend to some of you readers too. I went to school with Melvin Bernstein at Abbotsford Place. Through this site we met up again. Melvin never quite got over his wife's death, but he was still a very motivated person. He raised lots of money for under privileged children, and when I asked why he spent most of his life helping others he would say simply, "I am a Gorbals man and I was brought up by the best folk in the world - that's where I get my spirit from." He worshipped the Gorbals and its folk. Sadly he passed away last Tuesday evening I will miss my friend greatly. I got to know a true gentleman. He loved writing in here - he told me he loved the patter from Jim the Janie and folk like him. He would often shed a tear talking about his Gorbals people, so for those who knew and corresponded, I hope you will join me in saying goodbye to Melvin. Posted by Billy Malcom.
Submitted by: Billy Malcom My grandfather, Robert Cameron, and his siblings were born in Crookston Street, Gorbals in the early part of the last century. I am looking for the descendants of his brother Hugh. Hugh Cameron was born in July of 1914 and married a lady named Helen. As far as my aunt and father can remember, they had 2 children: Helen and Robert. My hope is that somebody knows what happened to them! Did they marry, have children, leave the area? If anyone has any information whatsoever, please, PLEASE contact me. None of my family has ever had contact with my grandfather's relatives in Scotland and, as my grandfather has sadly passed away, this is the only way I can think of to (hopefully) discover more about the Cameron side of the family.
Submitted by: Darren Cameron Still looking for Kathleen Madden from Hospital Street in the early 50's. Anyone remember her? Thanks.
Submitted by: Susan FAO Kevin Kilcoyne. Hi and thank you for responding to my dad's message. Any information regarding the whereabouts of his friend Pat Heaney would be gratefully appreciated Thanks.
Submitted by: James Smyth Rita, Denis and all other contributers - apologies for the delay with recent postings but it was down to technical difficulties that were outwith our control. All sorted now and thanks to all for your continued support.
Submitted by: WEBMASTER Hi everyone. Where have the favourites of Gorbals Anecdotes gone? Is it just me but we seem to be missing folk. Amelia, 10 Quid,(though thankfully we have wee Betty) DAM and all the other wonderful folk that I looked forward to seeing postings from. Even the wee arguements and occasional skirmishes were enoyable. Seems that it takes longer for postings to be published - you kinda lose the strands of communication. Maybe folk are just giving up because of this?? Ho hum - nothing remains the same. Cheers Rita
Submitted by: Rita Moffat Just wondering if the Railway Club Bar at the junction of Pollokshaws Road/Cathcart Road is still in existence? My late father-in-law used the Club in the early 70's. I lived temporarily in Cumberland Street for 2 years between 1972-74 and remember using this Club for a Sunday lunchtime drink as licenced premises were not allowed to operate on a Sunday!!
Submitted by: J.Bagan Apologies, but I'm a young 34-years old, and don't remember much about the old Gorbals. I was born and raised in the now demolished Hutchie E Housing Complex. Our family home overlooked Crown Street near to Caledonia Road. I remember it was damp and our corridors were poorly lit. Empty homes lay all around us. Talk about history repeating itself? As a youngster, I also remember private security guards patrolling the walkways and stairs in the Hutchie E Blocks. I was only 7 years old then. We were rehoused in 1983 when I was 8 years old. It's strange to go back and see absolutely nothing exists of my place of birth 1975.
Submitted by: Kenny Donnelly Jnr. In reply to Dougie regarding the family from Mathieson Street, a few members of that particular brood still reside in Castlemilk.
Submitted by: Anonymous My first message!!!! Noticed lots of older contributors mentioning their favourite part of the Gorbals. The haunt I loved most was the top end of Moffat Street, Orchard Street, Gilmour Street and Oregon Street. All sadly wiped off the map nearly 50-years ago. I also attended Oatlands School 1957-62 before my family moved South in 1963. Are those monstrous high-rise flats still there? [Julie].
Submitted by: Julie Does anyone have information on my grandfather, James Boyle who was a bookie? He spent time in London and died at Ayr racecourse in 1954.
Submitted by: George Duncan Jack Richmond - what was your family's name in Castlemilk and where did they live? I moved there in 1967 and knew lots of people.
Submitted by: Helen Martin Wee Betty - hello how are you? George was my Dad and sadly has passed away. Although my mum married Tommy, George was my Dad. Can't believe you knew him. I miss him so much....he did spend lots of time inside and I wish we would have had more time together. I met my brother George through this site and have had emails from our other relatives - it's great. I have read all ten quids stories but did not know he was related to me! Hope he is doing well and in good health. So many of my family have passed away it's good to know you are out ther. Everyone says I look like my dad. You must have so much you can tell me if you were brought up together. Could you email me some photos if you have them? Do you remember my dad had a pony'n trap? That was before my time but I have heard stories about it. Did you know his cousin Stewart? They were always together, inside and out. George is so like my dad - looks,the way he talks, the way he walks. I have one daughter - tried for years - had lots of miscarriages then got Rebecca Georgette when I was 39. She is now 10 and beautiful. I cant wait to hear from you. It's great to find family and I would love some day to meet you and 10 quid. Whats the story with Jimmy Boyle?
Submitted by: Helen Martin FAO Dougie - Glasgow re. the Pillans family - would that be Rab Pillans who went to Bonnies school? Last I heard he was driving a taxi in the south side.
Submitted by: Andy FAO Mark Thompson - My first house when I got married in 1956 was a wee low down single end up 398 Lawmoor Street. Don't know if you can remember Peggy Daly? She stayed in the shop house and Katie Purdon and the Tierneys (mothers name was Hannah). Also Esther Cunningham and Isa McCandlish. I moved from there along to the top end of Moffat Street (438). Got a room and Kitchen and then came up to Castlemilk on 1962 where I still stay. Amelia.
Submitted by: Amelia McKinlay nee Welsh FAO Frank Young - you are spot on about the market in Commercial Road but wrong saying it was Commercial Lane - it is Commercial Road. The reason I know is I have a photo of Cumberland Street taken from Cumberland Street looking onto Frank Stewart the butchers shop and the chemist. It is in one of the Gorbals books and you can see the street sign where the market was. Also my mother was born in the wee building facing the kippering work and on her birth lines it is Commercial Road but people called it a lane because it was all cobbled. Someone on the site said it was on Errol Street but they are wrong because at the bottom of Errol Street was a stable and Frank Stewart the butchers. Frank Stewart also had a building on the opposite side of the road (the uneven numbers) and it was next to the kippering works. Amelia.
Submitted by: Amelia McKinlay nee Welsh Hi. J'etais un etudiant habitant dans Gorbals 1980-81. J'ai partage l'appartment dans la place de la 45 Reine-Elizabeth. J'aime ce site Web de Gorbals! x x x
[Translation: Hi. I lived in the gorbals as a student in 1980-81. I shared a flat at 45 Queen Elizabeth Square. I love the Gorbals website! x x x]
Submitted by: Gabriellia Hi Mona. Just read your response to my e-mail about Michael Reilly. I see you are living in the States as I am. I live In California - where do you live? You can e-mail me If you like. I also was a teenager and new he was a lot older but what a crush I had on him even before I was in my teens. Come to think of it, he was the oldest of three brothers. Such memories my girlfriends and I had.
Submitted by: Pat Lynch Hi Auld Malky - just remembered, the Hayfield pub, I was wrong. It's the Pig and Whistle on Hayfield and McNeil Street. It's still there. Bye for now Norrie.
Submitted by: Norman McNamee I'm originally from Oxford Street, as were my late parents. So it was with sadness to hear that the Glaswegian Pub [formerly Stevenson-Taylor] finally closed it's doors several weeks ago. Not many pubs left in the Bridge Street area now. My father and grandfather used that pub most of their working lives. My last visit to the Glaswegian was over 6-years ago, and it was as if I've never left the Gorbals all those years ago. Another wee piece of licenced history disappeared from a by-gone area.
Submitted by: R.Mack Can anyone recall where Pelosi's fish and chip shop was situated? I'm sure it was in Rutherglen Road, Oatlands G5. Anybody remember young Mario who served behind the counter?
Submitted by: Luigi F.A.O. David Kean of Fenwick Ayrshire - just going through old postings on Gorbals Live and saw a message from you. Were you any relation to the Keans who lived in a single end in 212 Thistle Street? I remember Mrs Kean who was slightly disabled (due to polio I think) and there was Billy Priscilla Thomas and May. Priscilla was also known as Pinnochio - I don't know why because she had a very small nose maybe somebody thought that was funny. Mrs Kean used to make aprons for Imries the bakers round in Cumberland Street, next to the Havana Bar. She made them from flour sacks given to her by said bakers. Cheers, Nan Cameron.
Submitted by: Nan Cameron Hi Jack Richmond. Don't despair, there are web sites who post photos of the Gorbals for the old days and how it is now. Email me and I will give you details. Bye for now, Norrie
Submitted by: Norman McNamee FAO Don Paton - thanks for the information on the Dewar family. My uncle ran the ice cream van. His name was Denny and his wife Cathy. They had 5 girls and 1 boy - their parents died abroad.
Submitted by: Not Supplied To Auld Malky from the Channel Islands about the Govanhill Bar - I went about there in the 70's. Hughie Gallagher was the owner, sadly now deceased for many years. Jimmy Mooney and Mary (his wife) worked there for many years - sadly he died in 2009. You may have been too young to take part but it was a great pub for dominos - 2 or 3 tables going every night. Sadly all the old pubs in the Gorbals have long gone with the exception of the one under the railway bridge at corner of Cumberland Street and Cathcart Road. I forget the original name but it's now called The Brazen Head. Hope this jogs your memory Pat.
Submitted by: Pat McGee Hi, anyone out there remember my Grannies brothers, Hughie and Danny Lynch? Both died when I was young (1970s) and I wondered what they were like.
Submitted by: Mark G Anyone remember my granda Ginger Wilson who was the postman and never out the Moy Bar, both in Florence Street? My dad was Andy Wilson with brothers Johnny, still in Gorbals, Robert who emigrated and passed away in Canada,and Joseph who died in Egypt with the army in the 50's.
Submitted by: Joe Wilson To Frank Young - you're right about the market in Commercial Lane. My mate and our wives had a stall there selling wall plaques, table lamps and jewellery. We all lived at 247 Lawmoor Street (the high back).
Submitted by: Norrie McDonald Hello, this is a message for Kevin Kilcoyne with regards to the whereabouts of Pat Heaney. I would be grateful for any information for my dad. Thanks for getting back to us.
Submitted by: Jimmy Smyth We are trying to collate as much information about the Saint Francis Pipe Band as possible for a book. Any photographs, names, dates, cine film about Saint Francis Pipe Band would be greatly appreciated. You can visit our site at www.saintfrancispipeband.com. The band was founded in 1926 and is still an active busy organisation. Former members or relatives or friends let us know what you know. Fill in the gaps in the bands esteemed history. Any fragments or memorabilia. Cheers.
Submitted by: Anthony O'Doibhailein Dougie, the Pillans boys are still in Castlemilk. What's your surname and I'll let them know you are asking for them?
Submitted by: Joe Hi Auld Malky - Govanhill Bar is long gone...the only old bars that are left are The Granite (I forget it's new name), Stevie Tailors (Glaswegian, now closed), the Laurieston, Soo Wester, Sharkeys, which may have been Cleland Bar. Not sure if the Hayfield is an original bar. I have a photo of the Govanhill Bar also. Send me your email address and I will send you a photo. Bye for now, Norrie
Submitted by: Norman McNamee FAO Jack Richmond. You should google a site called Urban Glasgow. You will find old photos of Kidston Street, and indeed most Gorbals streets.
Submitted by: Rose Doyle Hi folks, born At 15 Turnlaw Street in 1946, went to St. Bonaventures Primary and then Holyrod. I have a brother George nicknamed Shorty and two sisters, Josie And Margaret. Sadly, Josie passed away in 2008. Would like to hear from anyone that knew my family. I would pass on any messages to my sister and brother.
Submitted by: William Long The memory I have of the Commercial Lane Paddys Market is seeing people trying on second hand (or should it be second mouth) false teeth.
Submitted by: Jim Paterson Auld Malky - my abode was straight across from the Govanhill Bar at top end of Thistle Street. 321, the year 1958. I had an Armstrong Sidley, aluminium body, wood panelling and leather upholstery...pre-select gearbox. The guy who lived above the pub was a real idiot. He poured powdered cement in the radiator of my car. He had a hard job explaining to the cops how he fell into bags of cement! [his family had called them!] In those days, we sorted out our own problems like the Friday and Saturday night fights at the Govanhill Bar. The heavyweight fighting the lightweight, the heavyweight being a woman. People would lift their Windows, sit on a chair and lean on a cushion and cheer them on. A little 6 stone guy would either get cheered or jeered depending on the beating he was getting. A guy nearly getting killed by a gang as he had his head kicked against Haynes roller door the night a guy again got thrown through my window with his eyebrows cut off. I picked him up and threw him back out and closed the wooden shutters on the house Windows with a steel bar. I lived there a month I was required by the law to emigrate back to Lawmoor Street. Police are funny people because the station at Lawmoor Street was a quiet place...well come on now! 10 quid
Submitted by: 10 Quid Hello, I am trying to find information on an "accident" that my dad had in 1963. I have seen some of the newspaper stories from the time but I would love to hear from anyone that actually remembers it. As far as I can gather, a mentally unstable woman gathered up 6 or 7 wee kids and threw them one by one from her tenament window. She was later sent to Carstairs. This happened in the Hutchestontown area (I don't even know if that's classed as Gorbals). As I say, it was 1963, my dad's name is Danny McNeill, his parents are Dennis and Margaret McNeill. It would mean a great deal if anyone can help me out. Kind Regards Kirsty
Submitted by: Kirsty For Carol McL. - I think my gran lived in the same building you mention. I'm sure it was No.5 Cathcart Road, a few yards along from the Granite City pub. I'm sure your friend lived on the ground floor. She had an older brother who was well known in the Gorbals. My gran was Mary Thomson.
Submitted by: Jean Merrick nee Thomson So disappointing to see another Laurieston landmark rendered obsolete - The Glaswegian Bar. With the Coliseum now raised to the ground, Eglinton Street is truly a ghost from the past.
Submitted by: Saturday Sam To OLD TIMER - I was born and bred in 400 Ballater Street. My granny, aunties etc. lived right 'roon the corner an up the stairs' in Mathieson Street. {Gaughans/Murphy} Our top flat windows looked over both Mathieson and Ballater Street. Born in 1948, I went to St. Luke's school, leaving to go to a Secondary School {St. Bernards- later Bellarmine] in Pollok. Friends were Rosemary Duffy, Sandra McMahon and Mary McCafferty amongst others. Although I came from a large family, I remember spending a lot of solitary time playing ball against the wall and roler skating. I also remember playing 'wallies' with broken crockery and 'fitba' in the street with the boys, hide and seek, skipping, swinging on the washing posts. My granny used to get up every morning down the 3 flights of Mathieson Street. stairs and up ours to wake my dad for work. She was 66 when I was born so she must have been in her 70s if I can remember. As I get older and look towards retirement in my nice comfortable seaside bugalow(!) in a sunny, quiet part of England, I stand in awe at the women of the Gorbals who raised us. They had hard lives yet we never knew we were poor. In fact we were brought up to think of the chilfren who had less. I remember family parties, Glasgoe Green, visits to the 'splashy shore' and great ays out with the Brownies on double deckers to the seaside - and everybody expected a present brought back! I've represented Scotland in many different countries all over the world and am proud to be a Gorbals kid. Our comunity looked after us and our parents. The descendent of one of them is now CEO of Fremantle Media of the Americas. {Works with Simon Cowell among others] Howzat! Granny would approve but warn him not 'Tae let it gi tae his heid'. I wish I had really appreciated them when they were still with us.
Submitted by: Not Supplied For Wee Blether - it's the same person, Margret and I were good pals at school. My happy memories were in Errol Street with Margret and her mum Tilly and dad Bill. Thanks Wee Blether - great times.
Anne Hannon McKnight.
Submitted by: Anne Hannon Charlie, got some more pub names: The Hihi, Star Bar in Govanhill, The Cleland Bar, The Phoenix, Pig & Whistle Waverly, Ben Clure and Granite City. Some might have changed name over the years but someone might know old pub names. My dad told me of the old pubs in the Caley Crown Street area. That is some of them - can't think of any more at moment but try that website I said about. My dad used to go to Shawfield Stadium and Third Lanark - ground gone now and don't know if Shawfield is still standing. Been a number of years since I was there - got lost in Crown Street the last time I was there! What a change. The area looks good though - I grew up in tenements then - the Hutchie blocks. Hope this helps you.
Submitted by: JJ Sorry got cut short further down Caley Road. There was the wee mill pub over bridge in Dalmarnock - was the shawfield bar - don't remember any more but if I do, will send anecdote. The dates are from middle 70s to 1990. Have a look at the website "Old Glasgow Pubs".
Submitted by: JJ Ronnie Fisher! I remember you and your family well, especially your mother, Emmy, and grandmother Jeanie. Can also remember playing rounders and kick-the-can. My brother was Charlie Stewart who passed away 25-years ago in London. Nice to know your alive and kicking. I also knew your cousin Joesy very well when I previously lived in Castlemilk. I'm afraid I haven't set foot in the Gorbals since 1980, and indeed, wouldn't know or recognise much of it. Hope life has been good to you. Bye!
Submitted by: Val Stewart Always hoping to find out about the Pillens boys from Mathieson Street late 50s to early 60s. They moved to Govanhill, then Castlemilk early 70s.
Submitted by: Dougie Spare a thought for some of us ex-Gorbals residents who have nothing to find or look at regarding nostalgia. I was brought up in Kidston Street and attended Camden Street school. It was a busy little area hemmed in by Caledonia Road and a busy Crown Street. Now it's completely gone and very difficult to pinpoint certain landmarks, except the necropolis!! My family moved to Castlemilk mid 60's, but I'll never forget the Kidston Street area.
Submitted by: Jack Richmond G'day - I have a large aching gap in my family history. My mum Agnes Graham was born in 1920 and lived at 143 Adelphi Street. She had a half brother James and and half sister Tina. Her mother's name was Elizabeth and they may have owned/run a fruit and veg shop at some time. I think she also had a cousin/ married name Chrissy Boyle? Any information greatly appreciated. Oh... Mum may have worked at Swan Vestas during the war.
Submitted by: Bob Caves Hi Mrs. Stewart. About your dream - the market was indeed in Errol Street up from St. Francis Chapel. We went there regularly with my mother to see what we could pick up in the way of clothes.
Submitted by: Jean Fairie I have posted this message time and time again. Keep hoping someone out there will remember. Does anyone remember Robert Macfarlane (I think from Glasgow area) or Elizabeth Ferries from Aberdeen. She lived at 13 Thistle Street Glasgow and was a munition worker. Robert may have died young (in his twenties). They were born in the 1920s. Please ask your family members.
Submitted by: Jackie Anyone help me trying to locate Jane Nelson nee. Cryans related to Martin Cryans who lives in the Castlemilk area?
Submitted by: Patrick Cryans Hey Pat Lynch, I lived in Portugal Street and as a kid/teenager I had a schoolgirl crush on Michael Reilly. He was a bit too old for me but I still remember going into "Lena's" for apples and oranges and the wonderful smell of the fruit as I entered. I don't have a lot of memories of the Gorbals - they're fading as I get older - but walking in the always open door of "Lena's" and seeing this handsome guy is one of them. Reading your post brought it all back. I think he had another sibling, but I don't remember his name.
Submitted by: Mona Foster Hi, does anyone remember the Boyle family from Laidlaw Street? They lived on the ground floor flat opposite the wee shop, sold great rolls and sausage.
Submitted by: Liz My dad was born at Waddell Street in 1939. His name was Hugh Walsh, his father was also called Hugh Walsh. Does anyone have any info on Waddell Street, or does anyone know of Hugh Walsh who lived there in the 1930s? Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Submitted by: Karen FAO Old Timer - Well said! Why would anyone WANT to claim to be from the Gorbals if they weren't? Cheers, Pat
Submitted by: Pat Mooney My dad's sister was Peggy Neill from 69 Surrey Street.
Submitted by: James Neill With reference to Cathy Dewar's inquiry about the Dewar family. I lived in Garthamlock for 10 years and there was a family of Dewars who resided at 41 Binns Road. The father was John, I cannot recollect the mother's name, however, I think she was of German extraction. My memory is not great but I think one son was called Ian.
Submitted by: Don Paton It appears we have a Lawmoor Street revival. Loads of name dropping but no replies!! I lived 2 floors above the Welcome Inn Pub in Lawmoor Street at the corner of Caledonia Road. Tough times in a cramped 2 bedroom flat. I attended Bogies Secondary at Craigie Street, Strathbungo, then when I turned 15, my family were rehoused in nearby Cathcart. Difficult trying to pinpoint certain area's in the New Gorbals. I enjoy reading about people from The Lawmoor Street vicinity. Any more out there?
Submitted by: Mark Thompson I was born at 257 Lawmoor, next to Eddie Smyth's boozer, my mother was Sarah Gunn, granny Jeannie Gunn, cousins Cathie, Jimmy and Josie. Jimmy passed away last October. Ronnie Fisher
Submitted by: Ronald Fisher Hi, I'm Cathie Dewars uncle, my mother and Cathie Gunns mother were sisters, Jane, Emmy. Our cousin Jimmy Gunn passed away in october. I asked Cathy did she know N. Macdonald?
Submitted by: Ronnie Fisher Hello Eddie. Thanks for that information. I do hope you and your family are doing well. Is your mum Gerti still with us? I am recovering from a stroke which I took just before Christmas, but things are looking on the up for me. Take care and keep in touch. Ian.
Submitted by: Ian Thomson I was shocked to hear it was Willie Carroll who was killed in the tragic fire in Caledonia Road on Wednesday 3rd February. Willie was a true Gorbals man in every sense - another character who has departed. God bless - rest in peace.
Submitted by: Garngad Bhoy To Helen Martin - nice to hear you found and talked to George. Best wishes Bob, sent you an e-mail.
Submitted by: Bob Kidd To Charlie Croft Jnr. - there is a website called old Glasgow pubs which lets you know of the location and who owned them. It is a good site to visit. I came from Caledonia Road. Hope this helps you.
Submitted by: JJ Helen Martin - Wee Betty here. Read your posting - the George that I knew was most likely your uncle. If alive, he would be 74 and we were brought up like brother and sister. He went to the HLI to do National service and I left to Australia with 10 quid. Jimmy Boyle's wife Elizabeth died young. He spent a lot of time inside so I think the brother you must have found was the son of Tommy Kidd, son of my aunt Nellie. By the way, Partick Cryans writing on the site is my cousin too and there was lots of fun out here in Australia. Patrick Cryans left the Gorbals in 1964. Paddy and his mum Bella still had the Barras: lots of photos of the kidds and the Cryans family - one special one of 10 quids uncle Judy in the pub with Paddy. Judy was in the movie "sense of freedom" - true story of Jimmy Boyle my arse! 10 quid said he will take over from now on doing the right thing. I said "getting your own computer then!" wee Betty?
Submitted by: Wee Betty To Mrs Stewart in Surrey. The market you speak of was, I think, in Commercial Lane, so it was just up from Errol Street. The market was facing the back end of Lawmoor Street police office if my memory serves me correctly. Of course, I may be getting mixed up - if I'm wrong no doubt some old Gorbalonian will soon put me right. Cheers.
Submitted by: Frank Young Does anyone out there know the whereabouts of Jim Brown who lived in fauldhouse Street just across from the steamie then he went to live in Castlemilk?
Submitted by: Robert McCurley I lived in the Cathcart Road tenement at the railway bridge and pub near Gorbals Street. My friend was Bridie Devine. Anyone remember us from the very early 70's?
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